tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6689412046962481205.post3344193619676248716..comments2023-10-11T05:11:38.586-07:00Comments on only the dead see the end of war: some thoughts on women in church from 1 Cor 11 and 14jim thompsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07007618921884871637noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6689412046962481205.post-81595427947608420852009-11-07T11:09:38.048-08:002009-11-07T11:09:38.048-08:00but why then the supplementary, positive commands ...but why then the supplementary, positive commands to be in submission according to the law? i understand witherington's approach with the historical context in Corinth. i do not dismiss it at all. his historical work is awesome.<br /><br />however, that seems to only supply background for Paul's negative imperative of keeping silent. there is something that definitely transcends the Gentile 1st century background here, namely, the law.<br /><br />and further still, Paul's hermeneutic is of new creation. and in the original creation is where he gets his understanding of gender roles and functions for those awaiting the fullness of new creation. <br /><br />two redemptive-historical trump cards in my book, all the while maintaining BW's point of consultative prophecy.<br /><br />what do we think?<br /><br />and further furthermore :) ... whether or not you intentionally chose the word "serve" i'm not sure. but that's the diakovos/minister word that women SHOULD partake in, whether you go the Rom 16.1 route or the 2 Tim route. i'm all for women serving in the church. Paul even commands that they teach! - younger women, of course.<br /><br />but a woman filling the office of a pastor/elder/shepherd/overseer... i still can't find exegetical warrant for that approach. <br /><br />good discussion. more thoughts?jim thompsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07007618921884871637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6689412046962481205.post-74307061765525843052009-11-07T08:57:06.933-08:002009-11-07T08:57:06.933-08:00Ben Witherington pointed out that most of the Cori...Ben Witherington pointed out that most of the Corinthian Christians were Gentiles, who would have been accustomed to the consultative prophets and prophetesses, specifically the one at Delphi. It would be natural for people to bring that assumption into Christian worship. Witherington assumes, with probable cause, I believe, that it was primarily the women who made this mistake, which explains why Paul made this statement. In other words, I don't think it has anything to do with limiting women's capacities to serve.Brandonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00343314669237878290noreply@blogger.com